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2015 Subaru WRX Premium – Is the STI the Better Rex? – Automobile Magazine

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“Should I have splurged on an STI?” It’s a question all Subaru WRX owners ask themselves at some point. We’re no exception. We’ve enjoyed our Four Seasons 2015 Subaru WRX Premium, but from the very beginning have wondered whether we should have sought those three extra letters. It came to a head when a 2016 Subaru WRX STI arrived at our office for two weeks, wearing the same shade of blue pearl paint as our car.”

Read more @ http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/12_month_car_reviews/1506-2015-subaru-wrx-premium-june-update/

Notes –

Many people insist that the current (2015-2016) WRX is equal or even better than the current STI.  This is mainly due to the ultra-tunability of the WRX’s FA20DIT engine, the fact that it has a broader spread of torque through it’s rev range than an STI, and the fact that it’s cheaper.

I’ve been instisting that the STI is the better car because it’s more track-tuned.  No, not everyone is interested in track driving, but we’re talking about cars with rally heritage here (both the WRX and the STI shares that heritage).  It’s funny that the WRX supporters appear to conveniently forget this to support their argument but it is almost always   mentioned when someone compares the WRX to a FWD or RWD car.

What I love about this article is that they highlight the WRX’s street strengths (it’s torque availability across the rev range) while also showing that the STI is the better car when it comes to spirited driving (it’s edgier and those edges become a negative aspect in daily driving, but become positive once the pace increases).

On the track, that immediacy gives the STI a clear advantage. More aggressive torque vectoring helps it claw through corners more quickly, and more communicative steering lets you approach the limits of adhesion with greater confidence. “It’s a WRX with all the slop and bushings and hesitation removed,” says Holmes. Even here, however, we’re talking about the difference between good and great. We’ve taken our Four Seasons WRX to the track; it’s no slouch.

I’ve said the following many times, too:

Making a decision between them boils down to how you’ll be using your Subaru. If you plan to spend lots of time at the racetrack, figure out how to scratch together the extra $8,100 for an STI. Its superior suspension and sensitive controls simply make it a more rewarding car to drive at ten-tenths.

Both cars are great.  One is less focused but great for the street, while one is track-focused and great for the track.  Run either one out of their element and their weaknesses will show.

I usually frown upon articles that compare the two cars.  They’re not made to compete against each other.  Back in the day when there was the Ford Mustang LX 5.0 and the Ford Mustang GT, you rarely saw articles comparing the two.  You didn’t see comparisons of Suzuki’s B-King and their Hayabusa, either.  You don’t normally see comparisons of Dodge’s Hemi-powered Charger SRT and their non-SRT Charger.  You typically don’t see the Porsche Cayman base model compared to the Cayman GTS, yet so many people get wrapped around the axle in trying to compare the STI and WRX.  I don’t really get it.  They’re two different cars that focus on two different markets.  Buy what you want and be happy about it (without trying to justify which is better because of your subjective view).

Lastly, no, you can’t buy a WRX and tack on the parts that it lacks ($8000+) to make it equal an STI.  You’ll run out of that extra $8000 in savings well before you end up with an STI equivalent…and you’ll still just have an WRX.  The STI’s 6-speed alone justifies it’s higher price, but the STI is the sum of it’s parts…they’re all tuned to make the STI what it is.  I DO NOT hate the WRX, but it is the base product of the product line.

UPDATE:

Here’s a video I just found that has an opinion (I don’t really agree with ALL of it but it does mention some things I didn’t comment on) —

Ford Focus RS – 345 HP?!


The juicy tidbits:

The Volkswagen Golf R? The Subaru WRX STI? Ford rooster-tails sand in their faces with the announcement that the awesome new Focus RS will make a staggering 345 horsepower from its 2.3-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder. The VW packs 292 horsepower, the STI 305.

Ford claimed “more than 315 horsepower” when it first detailed the car in February, and this announcement more than fulfills that promise. The word comes ahead of the 2015 Goodwood Festival of Speed, where Ford rally driver and RS development consultant Ken Block will run the all-wheel-drive superhatch up the hill.

Also confirmed: the RS’s torque figure, which comes in at 325 lb-ft between 2000 and 4500 rpm. An overboost function allows for a maximum of 347 lb-ft for up to 15 seconds when the driver’s right foot is buried against the firewall. (For further comparison, the Golf R peaks at 280 lb-ft and the STI at 290.) The EcoBoost’s rev limiter cuts in at 6800 rpm.

People continue to harp that this is more than the Subaru WRX STI.  Yes it is…that’s extremely obvious.  But there are some things that Subaru has going for it’s flagship.

The WRX STI will be a LOT cheaper and less limited, production-wise.

As well, the Subaru offers true AWD.  Having 100% power directed to the rears or fronts means that the car isn’t really AWD.  Yes, such a system gives better fuel economy, but I highly doubt it’s going to be as agile in inclement weather with such a system.  Subaru’s AWD technology is very much second-to-none when compared to  all cars in it’s category and several outside of it’s genre.

Resale value will be another item to ponder with the Focus RS, even with it being sold in limited qualities, will they retain value as well as Subaru’s STIs?  Blue Book value one a 2011 Subaru WRX STI that was sold at $32,000 can be between $24,500 and $29,500 (low price being rough value and high price being excellent condition value)…that’s on a 4-year old JAPANESE make.  In my opinion, that’s extreme value retainment for a car that isn’t really considered a limited edition model (they are sold in limited quantities but are not limited to such low counts as to be considered a limited edition model).  The Focus RS may retain value just as well or even better, but only because it would be an actual limited production car, which probably makes comparing resale an apples/oranges comparison.

Subaru’s aftermarket is HUGE…much larger than Ford’s Focus aftermarket.  The Focus may have better modification potential due to it’s more modern engine, but it’s a bit difficult to compare modification potential objectively since the technology between the two engines are so different.  I doubt the Focus RS aftermarket will top Subaru’s, since the car will be sold in limited numbers.

There’s no doubt the Focus will be the better car, but that’ doesn’t mean the STI will become irrelevant.  Ford will have to prove it’s better…on racing circuits and in video and e-zine reviews…not just on paper.  And, again, there’s a drastic difference between the two cars.  The Focus RS would better compare to the Mercedes CLA-45 AMG (which is a front-biased AWD car with 350-HP from a turbocharged inline-four — it has much more in common with the Ford Focus RS than a Subaru WRX STI).

Comparison: BMW M235i vs. Mercedes CLA45 AMG vs. Subaru WRX STI

In this latest 2015 STI review, the STI is pitted against European metal:  the 2015 BMW M235i and the 2015 Mercedes CLA45 AMG.  The STI fares very well, considering it was out-powered and that these cars were MUCH more expensive than it.

Note that the base price for a 2015 STI Launch Edition is $38,190.  Non-Launch-Editions will not be as much (for those people thinking that $38K is a lot…it is, but doesn’t apply to the rest of the line-up).

It was a pleasant surprise to see that the STI outran the other two on the road course (Streets of Willow).  Within the articles comments section, several people proclaim that the win margin was slim.  That may be, but IMO, the other cars should’ve been very much ahead in that contest, but they weren’t…BMW and Mercedes should be embarrassed.  Now, we all know that the M235i isn’t really an M2, but the M235i still had the STI outright beaten in sheer HP/torque and apparently it handles like a dream, too.

This was a good read, especially since I hate Jonny Lieberman.  Thank goodness Jonny tested and someone else wrote the article (Nate Martinez).

Now, if they only post some video footage of the testing…

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1403_bmw_m235i_mercedes_cla45_amg_subaru_wrx_sti_comparison/viewall.html